tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5904175963756061657.post1098607527065154113..comments2024-03-16T17:22:21.659+10:00Comments on Carmel's Corner: Let them learn!crgalvinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01118766224187668713noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5904175963756061657.post-71247750501285490992015-03-15T11:03:06.215+10:002015-03-15T11:03:06.215+10:00Yes, my post was intended to promote thinking and ...Yes, my post was intended to promote thinking and discussion around the issue and I do like your referral to courtesy, ethics and IP as being the crux of the matter. I raised the issue of Creative Commons as such a licence allows the author to clearly stipulate in what or no circumstances that material may be used. <br /><br />I have certainly uploaded presentation slides and documents that vary from those used live and explained to audiences why what they may see will vary according to copyright permissions. <br /><br />Yesterday I attended a 'how to' presentation and both the range of sites and the searching hints and tips that were explained were provided at the beginning on paper. <br />Both the intellectual content and the nature of the presentation guide what is included. A story telling presentation certainly would not need this amount of detail. In yesterday's case I observed the audience of about 35 scrabbling to get down all the salient points which had in fact been provided for them on paper. The handouts have a clear copyright statement on them but they will be more useful for me in digital format. Hence I have scanned and saved to my Evernote for personal use only.<br /><br />In an academic situation I would hope that the lecturer, teacher etc would be available for further clarification and/or consultation. Many presenters are generous in this manner too. <br /><br />The capacity of a conference participant to absorb all material presented in such a concentrated time period is probably one of the biggest obstacles to effective learning. The desperation factor of 'getting value' for significant financial outlay should not be discounted. Perhaps this contributes to the attitude of entitlement.This is of course no excuse for poor behaviour. <br /><br />AFFHO Congress 2015 Yes, I have the abstracts saved to Evernote so hope to do very little notetaking but lots of listening and learning. There is also the option of buying the complete proceedings available on usb for $20. Thanks for contributing to the discussion.crgalvinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01118766224187668713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5904175963756061657.post-45884835219611354602015-03-14T17:42:40.723+10:002015-03-14T17:42:40.723+10:00Carmel, I thought I'd commented yesterday but ...Carmel, I thought I'd commented yesterday but mustn't have sent through. I am ambivalent about aspects of this though you have certainly raised some thought-provoking issues around the educational aspects. One issue may be that the US has a bigger, more competitive market place for speakers.<br /><br />I've been to a range of conferences from Congress, professional, academic and general interest. I have never felt a lack when there's no handouts before and in fact can find them quite distracting. My own note taking works for me but that may the experience of uni lectures and as you say people learn differently. <br /><br />nowhere else have I seen people taking snaps all the time through the talk as happened at RT with or without permission. I asked in a couple of cases specifically for use in my blog but didn't end up using them. I use Evernote to record my notes, or a notebook if I want more graphic I concepts illustrated. What I take from a speaker is not so much the "how to" but the "ah, I could do this with that info." <br /><br />In the talks I've done, I've added them to my blog as has Shauna. Even one I did last year that I ended up unhappy with...too dense, too much data.<br /><br />Helen makes a valid point about having to get permission to use images (which can deter including specific ones in talks). Photographing the, from the floor runs counter to that permission. <br /><br />I do think there's an attitude of entitlement a lit with genealogy -not from everyone, or the majority- but this cuts across courtesy, ethics and the author's IP. That is indeed the crux of the matter.<br /><br />It would be interesting to know how academic conferences approach this issue in 2015 since, in theory at least, they are the bastions of both education and intellectual property. <br /><br />A final point...it should be remembered that each presenter at a conference, certainly at Congress, provides a written article relating to their talk and this forms the basis of the actual presentation which the attendee and listener can refer to and add to their learning.Cassmob (Pauleen)https://www.blogger.com/profile/18397134336319778519noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5904175963756061657.post-17477906363280652902015-03-13T18:34:53.374+10:002015-03-13T18:34:53.374+10:00Excellent points Helen, your comprehensive handout...Excellent points Helen, your comprehensive handouts should be enough for the audience. There are always various points of view in any situation and if the presenter has established clear guidelines at the beginning most will be accepting of the situation. I agree there is nothing more annoying than audience members bobbing up and down to take photos so I really was trying to suggest some alternatives, no offense intended. Hopefully attendees at Congress in Canberra will have the best of manners! :)crgalvinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01118766224187668713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5904175963756061657.post-34767799093054225892015-03-13T10:53:12.760+10:002015-03-13T10:53:12.760+10:00I do provide extensive handouts for all my talks w...I do provide extensive handouts for all my talks which include all links and key information. I also use a lot of documents and images in my presentations that I have requested and received specific permission to use in the presentation.This is why I have requested people to not take photos of the slides. Also I have been finding that people are becoming so concerned with taking the photos they aren't listening to the presentation and have even stood up to take a better picture which is very disruptive to people around them. What is being forgotten in the conversation around Rootstech/FGS is that the 'no photography' was a directive of the conference and handouts were available to all participants long before the conference.Helen V Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16418865928294578567noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5904175963756061657.post-10080941314988464172015-03-09T13:17:50.159+10:002015-03-09T13:17:50.159+10:00Good idea, I must do that too and I've just no...Good idea, I must do that too and I've just noticed I need to edit my Also On... links!crgalvinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01118766224187668713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5904175963756061657.post-66581615051129019782015-03-09T10:04:43.446+10:002015-03-09T10:04:43.446+10:00Thank you Jill. I had to moderate my 'voice...Thank you Jill. I had to moderate my 'voice' :)crgalvinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01118766224187668713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5904175963756061657.post-89945672115833499232015-03-09T09:58:41.016+10:002015-03-09T09:58:41.016+10:00Another thing I have done recently is that I have ...Another thing I have done recently is that I have taken down some old presentations that have become outdated and,in the light of new developments, I didn't want people to use old material.GeniAushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09074874999181040071noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5904175963756061657.post-83253832388768015882015-03-09T09:52:43.957+10:002015-03-09T09:52:43.957+10:00You have put your points so eloquently. I concur w...You have put your points so eloquently. I concur with all you say. You'll definitely be top of my GeniAus' Gems list this week.GeniAushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09074874999181040071noreply@blogger.com